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Actually what I meant was...
"Vodka martini, shaken not stirred"
It never pays to take me too literally.
"Vodka martini, shaken not stirred"
It never pays to take me too literally.
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Har, har all! Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry Funny! I can take a little jesting now and then no less than anyone else. But in all reality of this subject, would the United States government have wasted their time handing out a patent for a product if it didn't do as it claimed???? Would Stereo Review, Audio, High Fidelity and other reputable magazines from around the world endorsed such a product over others such as SoundGuard (just to name one) if it didn't do as it claimed it did? Was this thread really that much of a waste of time? Unlike many of you, I am driving a car with a 1/4 of a million miles on it. Although it isn't using any oil & it's still getting in the mid 40's MPG for gas mileage (what does yours get by the way?), I can't be guaranteed it will still be running next week. Financial limitations like mine don't allow for such luxurys as Keith Monkey or NittyGrittySqueekyCleany record cleaning systems. There ARE those of us at this site who are stuck with cheaper alternatives, whether we like it or not. So with that being said, I believe this thread was a bit more important than the direction it has taken. I rest my case!Comment
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DJ ,
What I posted as a formulation was completely serious. That is my actual interpretation of one of the incarnations of the patent. It really does have all of the key ingredients in their correct respective proportions. I did the math!
If the original discwasher fluid worked, what I published should work. Try it - - - it won't cost much at all to make. As a matter of fact, Tracer is going to publish my interpretation of the patent in their next newsletter - - - I kid you not.
CraigLast edited by Craig Maier; 01-18-2006, 12:10 PM."Who put orange juice in my orange juice?" - - - William Claude DukenfieldComment
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Sorry you got your feathers ruffled.Originally posted by DJBohn
I think the job of the patent office is provide protection for inventors who come up with an idea novel enough from similar products to warrant protection and to assure that there's a reasonable expectation that the product will perform as designed. Brian pointed out: "A primary reason for the patent was its use of DISTILLED water -- wow!"
I suggest you pull out the back issues of the mags you mentioned and measure ad sizes. By its very nature comparing one cleaner to another is an unscientific endeavor (the repeatable part is troublesome). If I owned a mag and the results were indeterminate, I'd give the nod to the product that bought full page color ads. I'm sure Discwasher did what it claimed to do, I just question if it was that much more effective than distilled water. BTW, I still have an economy sized bottle of D3 that I sometimes use.
You're right, not many of us drive cars with 250k. My 1995 Civic has only 160K!
I thought the thread was about record cleaning fluids, not record cleaning machines. As such the comments on the thread have been in line with helping those who don't have unlimited budgets. I don't remember how much the product used to cost, but it's now selling for $5.95 for a 1.25 oz bottle, which works out to about $600/gallon. The old D3 and D4 may have been fine products, but there may be alternatives just as good that are significantly cheaper. If I could make a gallon of home brew for 20 bucks, I would have enough money left over to buy a record cleaning machine!
I think this forum is great because Rick and Craig and others regularly debunk all the silliness that surrounds the audio scene. They do this with common sense and a scientific background. It's the last place I would have expected to be accused of elitism.
DougComment
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Obviously just a misread. I wasn't sure if Craig was joking or not, either.
DanDan McDonaldComment
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Yeah, a lot of times I do like to kid around a bit. But, not this time. I thought that folks would really want to know how to make this stuff at a reasonable price.
I think that the problem with the written word on a forum is the lack of intonation or inuendo (sp?) which can not be communicated. It is sometimes hard to tell if someone is kidding or not with the written word. I guess, if one like myself wants to be taken more seriously, I should not kid around so much about some of the other wacky audio stuff going on out there.
But, a record cleaning solution is something that everyone needs to have and it may as well be reasonable in cost. So, I worked it out for myself and shared it with everyone else to benefit too.
ps - my car is about 10 years old, so I am pretty sensistive about capricious spending also."Who put orange juice in my orange juice?" - - - William Claude DukenfieldComment
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well...my wink denotes I am with the joke, but still, stirring is best - to be taken seriously or not!At work I may look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm actually quite busy
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Hey,
I apologize to everyone for going a bit over the top. I've had some other things going on here that have been pushing my buttons lately so I'm just a little on the touchy side these days. (I hope it will all work out...)Anyway I know, I know - Lighten up a bit!Comment
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No sweat. I hope things work out.Originally posted by DJBohn
DougComment
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DJ
- - - don't worry about it! Now, try out the solution that I concocted.
Craig"Who put orange juice in my orange juice?" - - - William Claude DukenfieldComment
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Craig's Recipe - DON'T DO IT!!!
tried it out on some dearly beloved ABBA vinyl and wish to report the liquid dissolved the disc, ate through the table it was on, then the carpeting, the flooring, the garage ceiling, the concrete floor, the strongbox containing $1,000,000 buried underneath the concrete...it's probably halfway to China by now. I don't mind the loss of my house & valuables, but am upset that Super Trooper by ABBA has been destroyed before I was able to restore it."You earthlings are all fools, fools, fools, do you hear me ..." Plan 9 From Outer SpaceComment
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LOL! Well, if we do not have a good, low cost record cleaning agent there, maybe we have a new, cost effective building demolition tool and war machine! It would just require a little change in marketing stratedgy to make it a success.
"Who put orange juice in my orange juice?" - - - William Claude DukenfieldComment
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It's a universal solvent - we're all doomed."You earthlings are all fools, fools, fools, do you hear me ..." Plan 9 From Outer SpaceComment
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OK - sounds like there may be a market for the concoction, though - I have some BeeGees and a Black Sabbath I'd like to clean with it.Originally posted by Lord Theo
DanDan McDonaldComment
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Sound solution
[QUOTE=3. Diswasher Cleaning Liquid (Part of our Surfacant)
4. Add 7 Teaspoons of Diswasher Liquid to the concoction
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Is that dis(c)washer? (aka D4+) or Dis(h)washer Cleaning Liquid?
"I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it." Klaatu, The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)Comment
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